017: Doing What You Love And Aligning That With Something That Helps Other People with Allen Vaysberg

Neil: Hello everybody, its Neil: Ball here, thank you so much for joining me today on the entrepreneur way. The entrepeneur way is about the entrepreneur’s journey, the vision, the mindset, the committment, sacrifice, failures and successes. I am so excited to bring you our special guest today, Alan Vaysberg. But before I introduce you to him, I have a little quote for you. Bono said, ‘we thought that we had the answers, but it was the questions we had wrong.’ The entrepreneur way asked the questions, so we all get the insight, inspiration and ideas to apply in our business. Alan, welcome to the show, are you ready to share your version with the entrepreneur way with us?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Absolutely, and I love Bono’s quote, that is very very good.

Neil: Yeh it is, Alan Vaysberg is a successful entrepreneur, who after creating and running a successful IT consulting business for 15 years, at the age of 37 found himself unhappy, unhealthy and unfulfilled. He knew he had to make changes and in 2012 he decided to begin anew. Now he is a life re-calobration expert, and creator of the seamless method. Who facilitates people’s transition from unfulfilled and stressed to doing what they love and being at peace. He speaks on life, purpose, career change, worklife balance and the re-calobration process. And runs online programmes, helping people re-calobrate their lives. While he works with people from all walks of life, his primary focus is on working professionals whose busy life seem to be getting the better of them. Alan, can you provide us with some more insight into your business and your personal life? to allow us to get to know more about what you do and who you are?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Absolutely, I am an open book. In terms again of the background, I did run IT companies, I went into IT because I thought that was where the money was. And money I found, although the first iteration of my company did not succeed, and I was almost bankrupt. About $350,000 dollars in personal debt. I climbed out of that, started another company, made that a successful company with I think close to two or two and a half million dollars in revenue per year. Not profit, but revenue.  So did quite well and at the height of my successes in 2012, said thats it, I can’t do this anymore because it is not who I am. I did this, I got out of debt, I made some money, its time to go on with my life and do things that I actually want to do.

Neil: Mmm hmm, so when you say you decided it was not who you were, what made you feel that? What was it?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Because when I was growing up, I certainly was not dreaming about being an IT professional. And I am joking, because it is from my perspective, I know lots of people who were dreaming about that. I just was not one of them. I dreamt about being a professional tennis player, an actor, somebody who gets up on stage and inspires people. A writer, I have been writing poetry since I was 7 years old. So these are things I dreamt about, which everybody said that it is just a hobby, its not a real job, get a real job. Which I did, and it did not help, and I got stuck in it for way too long, so for the past two years, leading up to 2012, I had this voice in my head that was saying, ‘live your essence.’ And I knew what it meant, and I was not living it, and I got to the point where introducing myself to other people, when you have to shake somebody’s hand and they ask you, ‘what do you do?’ and you have to say it, in your time I would utter the words, ‘I am an IT consultant’ I am getting that feeling now by the way. There is something in the pit of my stomach that would just yell out, ‘no, thats not who you are.’ You are an actor, you are a teacher, you are an author and you are not doing any of those things. So, at a mid way point in 2012, I basically stopped introducing myself as that, and I started introducing myself as an actor, an author, which made for lots of fun follow-ups because people got excited about it and they asked what I have been in or what I have been in, and the answer was nothing.

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: But I am an actor, I am an author. But it was my way of starting to get into alignment with who I really was, and after that I did write a book, I was in a movie and I did these things that I talked about. But it was a process, of acknowledgement that what I did, I was very proud of, I built something from nothing and made it successful, but it was not my life purpose, and I needed to pursue that.

Neil: Thats a very brave move actually, I think alot of people would have continued on with that, and just put up with the fact that they were not that happy doing what they were doing, so to actually just let go of it. So what did you do? Did you sell the business? Or

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I tried to, yeh, but in a consulting IT space basically its not worth much unless you are in it, because you are the primary driver of it. We have no assets, the contracts with certain companies were there and the money that we were offered for the firm, was not large enough and
anytime you buy a company of that size, you have to go and work for another company for two-three years and then you get some money up front plus salary. It just was not worth it. So basically we unset the business and went our separate ways.

Neil: And what do you enjoy most about what you do now Alan?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Right now its a completely different dynamic, even though I am working, I don’t consider it work. And I know that people always say this, now find something that you are doing that you don’t think of it in terms of work, so in a way I am retired from my previous life. I worked part time in it, I still do a little bit of IT to continue funding my new endeavours until they fully take over and I don’t have to. But I enjoy that process a lot more, and I am there creating programmes, I am there understanding what I can do in order to facilitate people becoming healthier and happier, and much more aligned with who they are. And that process, the process of me actually being out here, like on a radio show. I am speaking to you and I am helping to inspire hopefully at least just one person. That is going to make a change and make a big difference in their and everybody else’s life around them. And that alone makes it all worth it, as opposed to writing reports and making money and being very successful in something that I didn’t care much about.

Neil: Yeh I think the interesting thing about what you have said, it could apply to anybody ultimately. It could apply to somebody who has already got a business, or someone who has got a job. And they are unhappy in what they are doing, and what you are really saying is you need to take a stand and change it, and go and pursue what you want to do. Thats, I think that is obviously what you have done, so. Just one other thing, have you used your IT skills in what you are doing now then?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Absolutely, yeh and thats actually a very important point, that came through because when I was quitting everything and I left, I did not want to have anything to do with IT forever, ha ha ha. As everybody that goes through that, they just want to cut things off and say goodbye. Which is not the smartest thing to do anyway, but what I have come to understand afterwards, is that all of our experiences, every journey that we have been on, are things that are setting us up for the future. So even though I have changed completely into doing something very different, IT still aside from funding my new endeavours. IT still is very important because setting up websites and dealing with the structures and doing online marketing. My IT skills have been imperitive. The ways that I have learned to manage projects and to manage people. Right now I don’t have any employees, but I have people that are working for me all around the world, when I need them. So the ability to manage those people and doing off-shoring and all of that knowledge, in terms of creating software and managing projects, is extremely important to what it is that I am doing right now. So I was already set up with it, so that is the awareness of that whatever you are doing right now, even if it is not who you think you are, it is a part of you that you will be utilising in the future.

Neil: Yeh you made me think of Steve Jobs there, when I thought about his when he was at university before he dropped out, he used to attend courses, which he found interesting and I think one of the courses he attended was to do with type-setting and sort of fonts and things like that. And later on, that is something that he applied in the Mac and became  very much the strength of the Mac, the typesetters and graphic designers and things so, its interesting that you say that. So Alan, what is it that drives you?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: There is a part of it that is fear. The fear of not realising my potential. That is definately one of the drivers. Another driver is the obligation, because my parents brought me here from the former Soviet Union at the age of 14. And they have made lots of sacrifices and personal sacrifices on their own, just so I can have a better chance in life and if I squander that chance, then I will be very dissapointed. So there is that part that drives me. The faith of lots of people who are looking at me and seeing if I can actually accomplish what I have set out to do, that is a driver. And then just from the personal perspective, you know putting all that aside. I am doing what I love, which is helping other people, and that interest in helping others in getting their lives into the next stage is what drives and inspires me.

Neil: So when you talk about helping other people, your help is it one-on-one consulting, or is it do you sell courses, or how do you actually give that help?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh its actually a combination of all of those things, plus more because I find that people are at different parts of their life, there are different types of people who respond better to certain things. So, from my perspective, it is my responsibility to offer all options and then have people decide what is right for them at that particular time. So there is one-on-one coaching, thats available that I do with people and we talked about career change, we talked about health and wellness. We talked about spiritual coaching, so all of those things are parts of what I do. That is a part of the re-calobration process, which we can go into if you like. There are online courses, so if people want to go that route, there are two different flavours of them. One is a self-guided version where a course is set up, and people can take it anytime they want. Then there is a fully mentored group concept where I take a group of people through the 10-week seamless course. There is the speaking, there is the writing, I do alot of writing. There are books that are coming out based on these methods, so its really a combination of all factors, in order to help people wherever they are.

Neil: You mentioned your re-calobration process, can you just tell us a little bit more about that?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh that is kind of my baby, what I have done for myself, and what I continuously do for myself. And that is what I help others with and it has a number of components. The first component is understanding who you are. So its finding your essence, or life purposes, other people call it. And its once we discovered that, then there are other things that come out of it. We need to get your life in order in terms of getting you healthier, in terms of re-programming of external stimuli and alot of things that have led you to where you are right now. We remove that negativity, we re-programme. We get you back to a state that is peaceful, balanced and ready to build on from there. Then alot of people go through a career change, or a career adjustment, in order to realign who they are with what they choose to do for a living. And then, the last part of that is finding balance because once people get on a track of actually doing something that they love, they get out of balance again because they are doing way too much of it, then they forget everything else, so its getting back into that alignment. So the whole process has three steps.

One. Finding yourself and getting balance.

Two. Changing your career

Three. Then finding balance again.

Neil: Ok thank you for that. And how do you relax when you are not working in your business? I mean you sound like you are quite busy with all the things you have got going on at once here.

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh for me, my relaxation is I can’t say that I am stressed anyway, because being busy, we associate that with stress and I don’t find myself stressed very often at all. My stress comes mostly from my children who are young and they are yelling at each other, and I am learning how to deal with it. And from their perspective, if I need to relax, I listen to some very soothing music and I meditate and I just go outside and I with myself and the silence of nature. That is how I get back into a balance mode. But other than that, I really don’t get stressed and that has been a huge difference between my previous life if you will, and this current version which there was constant stress, and here is very little.

Neil: And do you have any entrepreneurial role models?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Its an interesting question, because I can think of many different people but I don’t consider anybody a role model. I stopped doing that a long time ago, because we get into a state where we put them on a pedestal. And I have learned that people have their strengths and their weaknesses. And when you expect somebody to be a certain way and then they are not, you start to lose respect for other things that they actually are great at. So I don’t look at anybody as a role model. But I respect many of the people around me, one person to give you a specific example, is Marie Forlio, who started B-School and she is what I love about her is that like myself she is multi-faceted. There is not one thing that she is doing so that she took the notion of you have to be doing one thing, otherwise you are not successful and she threw it out the window. And she is doing all the things that she wants to do and that right now, is $10 million a year or more business.

Neil: Yeh, I think the thing with the role models is from people seem to come up with different answers and I think that the last person I interviewed said that they did not have anybody either and yet other people will have one and I think that the true thing with this is to have several really isn’t it? if you are going to

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh

Neil: and obviously take the inspiration that you need from those persons without hanging on to their every word. I think that is probably the key to it so

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh and then not judging them too harshly because we are all human and we have things that we excel at, and then we have many things that we need to get better at as well.

Neil: Yeh absolutely. Alan, can we now talk about the time before you were an entrepreneur? What difficulties did you have to overcome when you started your business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I was an entrepreneur almost immediately because thats more of my nature. Once I decided that I was not going to be a professional tennis player or an actor. The entrepreneur gene kicked in.

Neil: Ok

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: and I did, my first job was six months working for somebody else full time doing IT. And that was as much as I could stand it, I immediately left and I tried to start my own business. Which actually took a little bit longer because I worked for a software company for a year, being a consultant for them and then started my business after it, so the difficulties before starting a business, is you kind of have to have one of four things at least before you start the business and what I realised is that the first business that went bye-bye was a business in which I had none of those four. Those four by the way are connections in the industry. Experience in the industry, money or a good economy. And when I was starting my first business, I had none of those, so it failed spectacularly because September 11 happened and none of the contracts got signed. I kept everybody on and ended up in lot of personal debt. So the difficulties before starting the business was I really had no knowledge of what to do or how to go about it. It was all instinct and some were correct and that is why I grew very quickly, from nothing into $750,000 of revenue a year business. But I made plenty of mistakes where September 11th finally did me in. Where if it did not happen I probably would have done very well with that particular business and grew it and continued on. So, the difficulties were again, I had no foundation and I had nobody to assist me, there was one mentor that I had that was a part of the business but we had a falling out, because he wanted to hire somebody that I did not think was right for the business, and that was the end of that relationship.

Neil: And you mention mentors then? Do you still have mentors?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I have people who I rely upon to be a bouncing wall. There is a lifecoach that I used to work with, when I made my transition in 2012, so he was instrumental in me making that switch, even my wife understanding what I was going through, I can’t thank him enough for what he did. We are not working together any more, but at that time he was instrumental.

Neil: And did you have any doubts that delayed you starting your business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: No, I am the type of personality and I think that many entrepreneurs are that way. We have no doubts, we are the type of people that have a fascinating gene, where I remember at work I was paying £50,000 a month in salaries and my brain was completely fine with that. And on the other hand we were saying, you know is $1,000 dollars for a vacation too much? And we separate those two, which is a curse and a blessing. So for me, I had no doubts about going into business, thats what I choose to do, I cannot necessarily work for anybody else, because I have many talents and the only way for me to utilise them is to have my own business and to do things that I choose to do, and to have the ability to make my own decisions. And if they are right, great, if they are wrong, I will deal with the consequences, learn and move on. So there was no doubt or worries about starting the business. Other people in my life had those but not me.

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I think I will have to check out this entrepreneur gene you have talked about and find it. Ha ha ha I did not realise they had identified that yet, and what mistakes did you make that slowed your journey?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Again, it is not knowing and being overly positive. You can be very positive and you can be realistic, and when we are talking about genes, positivity is a gene of mine and realism has not been. Which again, allows me to be this person who starts things, who does not worry about who anybody is, I can contact anyone and speak to them normally without worrying about their position or status because I don’t care, we are all people to me. That is a blessing but looking at everything from a perspective of rosiness and everything is going to work out, sometimes it does not. And if I was a little bit more realistic, then I would not have hired when I hired, I would not have kept everybody on when I did, and it would have been a lot better. But, a revision of history does not worry me so it is just a process of learning from it and moving on.

Neil: Mmm hmm, what are some of the things that you did before you started your business that would be helpful tips to some of the listeners who have not yet taken their first step on the entrepreneur way?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Thats a very good question. Well again, have no fear is definately one of the things and then what I guess I didn’t do but would advise, is before you start a business, make sure that you are either an expert in whatever it is that you are offering, product services whatever. Or the people who work for you are, because those things are very very important. Business is all about differentiation and uniqueness and a product offering or service offering that matters. And the only way to do that properly is for you to actually be an expert in it, and love what you do. If you are starting a business just because its a business, your heart will never be in it, and you are never going to be as successful as you could have been. I was successful, but because I really did not love what I was doing, I was not putting all of the efforts into it. So that a two and a half a million dollar a year business, could have been ten million dollars a year. If I actually put my mind to it fully, which I did not do because it was not something that I really wanted to invest my time in. It was that thing that kept on driving and it was working and it made money so I did not want to quit it. But it was not my heart, so I think the biggest advice that I would give to people is ‘align your business with your passion, and become an expert in it before you actually start it.’

Neil: Interesting point you said there about ‘love what you do’, I mean some people say that if you create a business in something that you love, by the time you have done it for 20 years, your love of it is probably not going to be quite the same ha ha ha, so when you talk about ‘love what you do’ do you mean being an entrepreneur is doing something but what you actually sell in terms of the service you provide whether it is a product or a service, or a  solution or whatever it is that you do. If you love what you are selling or providing, are you talking about loving the process? Or loving the end product so to speak? What do you mean by that?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Well its the well lets look globally, if I am selling a weight-loss product and I am selling it because I am an entrepreneur, I know I can make money at it, I am doing proper marketing, it will be fairly successful, but its not going to be fully successful because people sense that. People sense whether you really care about this or not, and you cannot fake it. Whether you have the experience of losing weight yourself, or you have helped enough people where you really care about doing that. People see whether you are genuine or not, so loving what you are doing to me is imperitive because if you are really into losing weight, using that specific example, you had your own experiences and you really care about helping others. Your marketing can suck, and you will still be great because people will see right through it and they will see just how much you care, and they will come across and they will work with you because of it. So, loving what you are doing, and you brought up an excellent point of 20 years down the road, are you going to have the same passion for it? It all depends, right? It depends because we tend to get in the grind. And if you allow your passion to become your grind, then you are not going to be there long term. But understanding that we are well-rounded human beings and there we have many passions. And taking one of those, and making it into a business, while allowing yourself to have other things that are adding to it, will keep you fresh long term.

Neil: What I would like to do now Allen is talk about the entrepreneurial journey itself, and just talk about a few things around that. Do you think that culture is important from the beginning in a business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yes, it definately is, because the business is a reflection of the founder. So the culture is very important to instill in your employees, especially and then again another advice for the entrepreneurs is delegate immediately because you will want to be doing everything yourself and then you cannot get yourself out of the process, and then you won’t be able to grow. So once you have employees, you need to instill that culture of what you represent. Hire the right people for it. And make sure that, that culture continues on. Otherwise, you will be known as just somebody, instead of ‘oh everybody from this business. We know exactly who they are, and what they stand for.’ So that is a very important stamp that you need to put on immediately.

Neil: Mmmm yeh, some great advice there. Knowing what you know now, is there anything that if you had known it when you started out, would have helped you to shortcut the learning curve?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Absolutely. Absolutely, and again knowing what I know now, I never would have started the IT business in the first place in the first place.

Neil: I thought you were going to say that. Ha ha ha

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yes, I would not.

Neil: But in terms of knowledge and things like that or experience.

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh and just doing what I love, knowing what I know now, I would have gotton a phd in psychology or psychiatry, and would have been helping people right away. Not necessarily by just doing one-on-one sessions but by writing the books, going out there, speaking and doing things that I do now. But right now, I simply have no interest in you know spending the next 8 years and getting that phd. Even a masters programme is going to be two and half to three years full time, with me not doing anything but that, which is impossible at this point. So I would have completely changed my direction, but not worry about it.

Neil: And how much does gut feeling influence your decisions in your business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Alot, I am very cerebral in terms of how I process information. Everything has to feel right, if it doesn’t then I don’t do it. Now I have learned to take that and make it deeper by utilising numbers along with it. And it has to feel right and it has to align in terms of actual figures, but gut feel to me is the first and foremost important part of whether I do something or not. And as I have learned over the years, I have had some wrong decisions obviously that I have made, but somethings that I have done simply based on gut feel which went against what other people have advised in a particular situation. Paid off, incredible dividends, just because I was true to who I thought I was at that time.

Neil: Alan, life is made of constant change whether we like it or not, and some would say that the only constant is change. So how do you try to keep up with change?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I don’t try to keep up with anything because change is life. So for me it is all about alignment and being in the flow of it. I don’t worry about change, some people have a hard time with change and anything new. For me, it is what keeps it fresh, what keeps it interesting and what keeps me learning and engaged. I am the person who gets bored very easily doing the same task over and over again. So for me, change is the life-blood, thats why it is really not an issue, but rather something that I find interesting as long as I am in alignment with it.

Neil: Ok and what is your favourite book on entrepreneurialism, business, personal development, leadership or motivation, and can you tell us why you have chosen it?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: There is one series of books that I believe have been translated into other languages as well, but its originally in Russian. Its books about a spiritual person whose name is Anastacia, and her way that she interprets the world and how people should live in it. Those books blew me out of the water, and those books taught me probably more than any other books. The other series of books were probably ‘Conversations with God’, by Neil: Donald-Walsh, which again have been translated into multiple languages. So its not necessarily books on business, it is books on life and books on expending your horizons and understanding who you are. Because business to me is an extension of who you are, you can’t get away from it. Again I tried, I tried creating a business just because it was something that would earn me money, and it never brought me as much success as I anticipated, and it certainly did not bring me happiness either. So to me, anything you do should be a representation of who you are inside, and those are the books that I read.

Neil: Thanks for that. Everyone when you have a busy life, listening to audio books is a great way to expand your knowledge in the time that you may be doing other things. Such as driving, or when you are at a gym. We have a special offer for you of a free audio book of your choosing, to choose your free audio book go to www.freeaudiobookoffer.com as long as you haven’t already signed up, then you will qualify. Alan, we would now like to fast forward into the future and just talk about a few things there so, what one thing would you do with your business if you knew that you could not fail?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Interesting question. I am trying to think of what it is that I am doing now, that has a different mindset. But I don’t because everything I am doing, I am not worried about failure, I am doing it now because I want to do it. And I don’t have that mindset of it will be successful, or it will not be. I did, but I have gotton out of that a year or two years ago because what you start doing is you start trying to mimic others who are successful and you start going through the same motions as other people are teaching you in order to do this, in order to convert this person you need to go through this process, you need to do that and all of that is nonsense. Its nonsense because thats not who you are, you need to find yours. You need to find yours, you need to find your authenticity, and you need to do it because you actually care about helping somebody. And once you do that, everything else comes naturally, so I have gotton out of that mode of doing things, because they will be successful, and not doing it because I did not think they would be. And just getting to the point where most senior citizens are, they just don’t give a damn. They are going to be themselves and if anybody doesn’t like it, its up to them.

Neil: And what skill if you were excellent at it, would help you the most to double your business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I am very good at marketing and advertising but I certainly could be better. There are so many different niches, and so many different things that people who spend all of their time on are amazing at. So if I were amazing at this, it certainly would allow me to spend less money on working with them and I can just do it myself. But now I rely on their expertise and the tools that they provide, so probably would be the social media marketing advertising component.

Neil: In five years from now, if a well-known business publication was publishing an article on your business after talking to your customers and suppliers, what would you like it to say?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I would like it to say ‘I don’t care in terms of the focus on the money or how much money its making’ but what I would like it to say is that after working with Allen, after learning the techniques that he has discussed, we have completely changed our lives. And we are much better for it and whatever we paid for them at that time, we would have paid ten times that much because we see the value of it.

Neil: Mmm hmm sounds good. Right, we are now at the part of the show where you share your three golden nuggets, so Alan, what is your favourite quote, and how have you applied it?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: It may sound egotistical but my favourite quote is ‘live your essence’ it is my quote but on the other hand, it is a quote that came to me from the universe so I would say that it is their quote that I have taken on. And to me ‘live your essence’ is aligned with who you are. Is be true to your purpose and live it. And that is the one that drives me every day.

Neil: Mmm its a good quote that. Do you have any favourite online resources that you could share that would be useful to us all?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Yeh then again, I am a poet, I love mimes, you know part of what I do is inspiring others or passing wisdom. So I create mimes almost on a daily basis, and what I do is I use two things, these are online resources I use deposit photos to get the proper image. And then I go to Pick Monkey in order to make it into what I want it to be, and indexed and align things properly. So those two resources I use on a constant basis.

Neil: And what is your best advice to other entrepreneurs?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: I have given already but lets echo it once again. Do what you love, focus on doing what you love, and then align that with something that helps other people. Be authentic, everything else will come.

Neil: Everyone if you didn’t manage to get a note of Allen’s favourite resource or his favourite book, you can find the links on Allen’s shownotes page. Just go to theentrepreneurway.com and search for Allen or Allen Vaysberg: in the search box. Allen is there anything else that you would like to add about your business?

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: My business after many years and different iterations and after learning about myself, my business again is about helping others in their journey through doing it myself, through re-calobrating my life I am having, I am helping others do the same for them because I have seen what it did for me and people around me, and I want that and more for everybody else.

Neil: Its been an absolute honour having you on the show Allen, you have certainly given us a different perspective on the entrepreneur’s journey and you have given us some good insight into what drives you and being an entrepreneur and you have certainly given us some inspiration as well, so thank you very much for coming on the show.

Allen Vaysberg, Amiveris Enterprise, Inc.: Its my pleasure, thank you so much for having me.

Neil: You are welcome. Thank you.